Season 3 Episode 14:
The one about China with Chris Kushlis
15 December 2021
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This week we’re talking China with Chris Kushlis of T. Rowe Price. We ask all the China-investing questions on our minds, including how to think about Evergrande, this year’s tech crackdown, and the ever-present risk of a China slowdown or hard landing damaging the world economy. Chris highlights the key things to focus on when looking at China and offers a useful perspective to understand the year’s events as well as what many market-watchers get wrong.
Chris is an emerging market sovereign analyst in the Fixed Income Division at T. Rowe Price. Chris has 19 years of investment experience, 12 of which have been at T. Rowe Price. Prior to joining the firm in 2007, he was an advisor to the U.S. executive director at the International Monetary Fund.
- History: contrasting 10 years ago vs today in relation to China’s importance in global markets.
- Slowdown of growth: is this a natural component of a maturing market and demographics, or is it cause for concern?
- Regulatory issues: recent announcements and impact on markets/sectors, uncertainty in the future direction of regulation – how should investors think about this and factor into decisions? Are the affected stocks/sectors now fairly priced?
- Debt build-up: the market seems to suddenly get worried about a debt build-up in China every few years and Evergrande quietly became one of the largest borrowers in the world. Is there a problem here? We discuss how investors should think about China’s debt markets in both public, SOE (State Owned Enterprise), and private sectors?
- Access: A-share market opening up, de-listing risk on ADRs & VIEs – how should investors think/worry about these access points – does Chris think there are underappreciated risks or does the market get the pricing of them about right.
- Political issues: views on US-China relations, from global news this seems to have quietened under Biden recently, but is that a sign of a better relationship or just a quiet spell, and how important is geopolitics to investing in China?
- ESG concerns: how should investors approach the very serious concerns around human rights abuses in Chinese supply chains? Is there any possibility of getting enough transparency or influencing a behaviour change? Also, China’s role in the climate transition.
- Looking forward: Chris's expectations on developments, any particular risk factors to look out for, what would change Chris’ view?
One thing to take away
China is fascinating but it’s a huge country and very multi-faceted. It’s easy to paint it in black white terms, but that under sells it.
The most underappreciated thing about investing
You aren’t going to be right even close to 100% of the time. It's important to have the humility to know you’re going to be wrong sometimes, but still take a really clear view and back it.
- Sinica – episode on China
- Planet Money NPR
- Imperial Twilight: The Opium War and the End of China's Last Golden Age by Stephen R. Platt
Further listening and reading
China research from Chris & T Rowe Price
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